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it isn't gonna be removed, but creating a subforum or studio will make other topics in TiMaC more noticeable

May I ask, what is a SWC,?

randomguy3513 wrote:

May I ask, what is a SWC,?

Scratch Writing Camp

1 word: “bump”
It's that simple.

italvera wrote:

1 word: “bump”
It's that simple.

every timac post: bump BUMP BRING UP MY POST bring up this post bump bump bump

italvera wrote:

1 word: “bump”
It's that simple.

Unfortunately, it is not that simple.
Scratch Writing Camp, commonly referred to as “SWC,” is a trianual program that encourages its participants to meet self-set word count goals. One way they do this is by giving the participants daily prompts which usually range from 300-400 words. Many users post their completed “dailies” in the TiMaC forum, which means that dozens or even hundreds of posts could be made per day. It would be tedious and difficult to attemp to bump one’s post to the top consistently.
However, many SWC members like to have an entire topic to themselves, which is far more easily navigated than a mass topic (which already exists) would be.
Therefore, unless SWC posts are banned in the normal TiMaC forum, I think that a mass topic or megathread would be unnecessary, and if the forced megathread were to be implemented, there would be yet more pushback from the already disgruntled writers of Scratch who are tired of false bot triggers, mass reporting, and the continued hostility of the Scratch Team towards even clean roleplaying games.

100th post

-effortIess- wrote:

100th post

Offtopic: Congrats on your 100th post!

NotK3ndricAlt wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

100th post

Offtopic: Congrats on your 100th post!

Ty
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Thinking about it more, it seems that this would be a good thing to add, but only if camps get an actual subforum, and not just a topic.
Also, other camps such as SAC (Scratch Art Camp) or SSC (Scratch Singing Camp) would be able to use the subforum, right?

Hey there! I stumbled across this thread, and as a SWC camper, I'd love to share my views on this!
First of all, I think this is an excellent idea. SWCers aren't trying to clutter up the forums or ruin them for other users; we're just trying to make the best of what's available to us. Most of our writing is too long to share in projects without inconvenience. SWCers have tried to negate clutter by posting in a megathread, but some people prefer having their own writing threads, perhaps due to the fact that it's easy to lose track of your own writing when it's in a megathread. There are approximately 350 people participating in SWC this session–yep, I did the math! While I can't tell you exactly how many are inactive or have dropped out, that's still hundreds of campers posting in the megathread. And dozens of campers posting outside of it. That's a bit of a problem, huh?
There a couple of solutions to this. First, we restrict private writing threads and enforce a megathread. I believe this has been done in the past, although I'm not 100% certain. However, based on the wording in the Main Cabin when talking about writing threads, it looks like the megathread was once non-optional. While we certainly could go back to doing this, it might stress campers who prefer private writing threads, and discourage them from participating. The second solution is, as you brought up, creating a separate topic for SWC. I agree with the second solution, although I do have some things to say about it. We'll get to those in a moment.
To summarize so far:
1) Regular forums users are frustrated with SWCers cluttering up the forums with their posts
2) SWC is huge, and the things written are frequently too long to fit conveniently in projects
3) The megathread, while used by many, is avoided by some campers for reasons of their own, who prefer creating their own personal threads
Right, got all that? Let's continue, because this is about to get bigger than SWC.
Let's talk about kit applications.
If you don't know what those are, kit applications are often used as a way to write out, well, an application for kitten designs in Scratch Warriors roleplays. The parent(s) review the applications for the kit(s), which generally answer questions about the roleplayers, the kind of personality they'd give the kit, and what they plan on doing with them, and choose winners from them to sign up with the kit(s). These applications are frequently done in the forums, and until recently were done in Things I'm Making and Creating. Several months ago, however, a forum post was written asking them to move to to Collaborations. While that's a bit better, neither is really perfect, since the applications don't really fit in either.
So now we have SWC posts, kit applications…where to put this stuff?
That's where the new topic comes in.
I believe that a new topic should be created for writing. SWC writing, kit applications, writing contest entries…the list is endless. With a new topic created solely for writing, whether it be creative writing, essays, or, yep, applications, forum users will be able to sort those kinds of posts into the category they belong in, instead of taking a wild guess as to where to put them. Things I'm Making and Creating comes pretty close, but it's really meant as a discussion for things happening outside of Scratch, and these posts are happening inside of Scratch. Thus, the conclusion I've arrived at is that we need something similar to TIMaC, but for things inside of Scratch. This will cut down on clutter in other topics, and keep both sides happy.
In summary, SWCers, roleplayers, and other writers need a topic of their own to prevent other forums users from becoming frustrated, and in turn prevent writers from being annoyed by the occasional inconsiderate Scratcher who comments or posts in their space to complain. (And yes, we've had complaints before.) Our goal is to write and connect with other writers, not to bother people! And this is a solution that will allow us to keep our tight-knit communities intact and happy, while also being mindful of other Scratchers, especially forum users.
We're all in this together. And like so many people, we have stories to tell. But we don't want to make people mad when we share our writing, so we're looking for a way to do it without dumping our posts where they don't belong.
Okay, that was a lot! Thanks for reading all the way to the end, and please don't hesitate to reach out with comments, questions, or other feedback! I'd love to hear your views on the suggestions I've presented here.

ChueyTheCat wrote:

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idk I'm on the fence about this one.

-effortIess- wrote:

NotK3ndricAlt wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

100th post

Offtopic: Congrats on your 100th post!

Ty
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Thinking about it more, it seems that this would be a good thing to add, but only if camps get an actual subforum, and not just a topic.
Also, other camps such as SAC (Scratch Art Camp) or SSC (Scratch Singing Camp) would be able to use the subforum, right?

yeah, it should be called Scratch Camps, or something like that

LP372 wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

NotK3ndricAlt wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

100th post

Offtopic: Congrats on your 100th post!

Ty
———————
Thinking about it more, it seems that this would be a good thing to add, but only if camps get an actual subforum, and not just a topic.
Also, other camps such as SAC (Scratch Art Camp) or SSC (Scratch Singing Camp) would be able to use the subforum, right?

yeah, it should be called Scratch Camps, or something like that

What about other types of writing that don't really fit in any other topics, though? Like, say, kit applications.
Not trying to argue this point, by the way! I think having a space for scratch camps is a great idea. However, I also believe that it could be broadened to include more categories and solve some other problems, besides just camp-related ones.

ChueyTheCat wrote:

LP372 wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

NotK3ndricAlt wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

100th post

Offtopic: Congrats on your 100th post!

Ty
———————
Thinking about it more, it seems that this would be a good thing to add, but only if camps get an actual subforum, and not just a topic.
Also, other camps such as SAC (Scratch Art Camp) or SSC (Scratch Singing Camp) would be able to use the subforum, right?

yeah, it should be called Scratch Camps, or something like that

What about other types of writing that don't really fit in any other topics, though? Like, say, kit applications.
Not trying to argue this point, by the way! I think having a space for scratch camps is a great idea. However, I also believe that it could be broadened to include more categories and solve some other problems, besides just camp-related ones.

off topic subforum is rejected, so it will probably have to be just Scratch Camps

LP372 wrote:

ChueyTheCat wrote:

LP372 wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

NotK3ndricAlt wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

100th post

Offtopic: Congrats on your 100th post!

Ty
———————
Thinking about it more, it seems that this would be a good thing to add, but only if camps get an actual subforum, and not just a topic.
Also, other camps such as SAC (Scratch Art Camp) or SSC (Scratch Singing Camp) would be able to use the subforum, right?

yeah, it should be called Scratch Camps, or something like that

What about other types of writing that don't really fit in any other topics, though? Like, say, kit applications.
Not trying to argue this point, by the way! I think having a space for scratch camps is a great idea. However, I also believe that it could be broadened to include more categories and solve some other problems, besides just camp-related ones.

off topic subforum is rejected, so it will probably have to be just Scratch Camps

I guess that makes sense. thanks for explaining!

It isn’t an official thing by scratch

hydrofungus wrote:

It isn’t an official thing by scratch

And…?
I don’t think that’s a weighty enough reason to reject something to further organize the forums.

Besides I think everything in TiMaC isn’t official Scratch.

-effortIess- wrote:

hydrofungus wrote:

It isn’t an official thing by scratch

And…?
I don’t think that’s a weighty enough reason to reject something to further organize the forums.

Besides I think everything in TiMaC isn’t official Scratch.

Yeah, it’s for stuff outside of scratch
Look, if you didn’t know, the SDS has a private forum of it’s own, and because it’s a sort of official thing
Meanwhile here, the SWC is just something scratchers thought up, and it’s own forum would be a bit too unnecessary
cheddargirl also noticed this stuff, and she didn’t take any action, so it’s alright for normal writing stuff (except kit applications, that’s been approved to be moved into Collaborations), since, well, Things I’m Making and Creating, includes writing.

And a “Writing” forum is too specific, it’s like splitting the TIMAC into “Music i make”, “Art i make”, etc.
just because it’s been around a lot, doesn’t mean it has to has it’s own thing. And tbh, why don’t they do it in a project or smth, the forums were never really meant for these.

hydrofungus wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

hydrofungus wrote:

It isn’t an official thing by scratch

And…?
I don’t think that’s a weighty enough reason to reject something to further organize the forums.

Besides I think everything in TiMaC isn’t official Scratch.

Yeah, it’s for stuff outside of scratch
Look, if you didn’t know, the SDS has a private forum of it’s own, and because it’s a sort of official thing
Meanwhile here, the SWC is just something scratchers thought up, and it’s own forum would be a bit too unnecessary
cheddargirl also noticed this stuff, and she didn’t take any action, so it’s alright for normal writing stuff (except kit applications, that’s been approved to be moved into Collaborations), since, well, Things I’m Making and Creating, includes writing.

And a “Writing” forum is too specific, it’s like splitting the TIMAC into “Music i make”, “Art i make”, etc.
just because it’s been around a lot, doesn’t mean it has to has it’s own thing. And tbh, why don’t they do it in a project or smth, the forums were never really meant for these.

First, it is pretty insensitive when you say “why don’t they just do a project or something,” and shows your alienation to the topic.

If you’ve ever seen someone’s writing in a project, usually it is pretty time-consuming to make, hard to edit, and to be honest doesn’t look that great. On the other hand, forums are a far more convenient location, because of the ability to format text and the easy navigation, in addition to having all the previously mentioned features that projects lack.

Just because the SDS is official doesn’t mean the ST won’t allow another forum to be made for writers.
The suggestion to make a new forum for writers has nothing to do with how long SWC has been around, except that it has annoyed other forum users for quite some time, leading them to make the suggestion in the first place.

Also, if the ST makes a new forum for writers, it does not oblige them to make other sections for art or for music, especially when those topics are not as often showcased as writing.

Finally, you must understand that the members of SWC, while supporting this idea, are not the ones asking for it. The other forum users are, for the sake of further organization and declutterring of the forums. Most SWCers don’t navigate to their topics using the main forum, they simply have a link somewhere, so they couldn’t care less where exactly their topic is located.