ocular rewritten

EDIT: Since people complain of it looking ugly (not the purpose of this still and never really mattered), gonna use black text instead since That appears to not fail at the WCAG rating.
#ffab1a (orange) & #fff (aka #FFFFFF (white)) don't mix very well and are a bit difficult to read.
Changing the text color to black could be really useful since its much more readable:

(note this is merely an example, edited version of #36)
EDIT2:

coshnaut wrote:

(#43)
Why don’t we use the high contrast control block color with black text? That would make it quite easy to read, and fit with the palette.

This could also work really well since there'd probably be less complaining and it's much more readible.
EDIT3:
Mock-up for the one above:

No Support, it's already easy to see. The new color just looks uglier it looks like the change to the remix button

While the current one isn't that hard to see (as long as you arn't sleep deprived like I am rn), it'd be nice to have the second one, it is a bit uglier (maybe another, similar color?), but its way nicer to my eyes (which are, yet again, super sleep deprived)

roofogato wrote:

No Support, it's already easy to see. The new color just looks uglier it looks like the change to the remix button

then what about colorblind scratchers then

gdfsgdfsgdfg wrote:

roofogato wrote:

No Support, it's already easy to see. The new color just looks uglier it looks like the change to the remix button

then what about colorblind scratchers then

Every modern device made my man has a colorblind filter bulit in

I am not sleep-deprived, nor do I have any visual impairments, and I agree that the color could be changed to make it easier to read.

I seem to remember that something orange was changed to red in the purple update — was it the number of messages, as displayed inside the message box? Maybe that could be an alternative color to the proposed dark orange.

Za-Chary wrote:

I seem to remember that something orange was changed to red in the purple update — was it the number of messages, as displayed inside the message box?

No, it's still orange. I'm yet to see anything red in fact

alright I will do a WCAG check
the current color contrast is:
1.89:1 (WCAG fail)
The second color is:
2.09:1 (WCAG fail)
The third color is:
2.5:1 (WCAG fail)
Well then none of those colors (the 2 last colors)
passed WCAG tests
this is compared to white text
Edit: OP changed

Za-Chary wrote:

(#6)
I seem to remember that something orange was changed to red in the purple update — was it the number of messages, as displayed inside the message box? Maybe that could be an alternative color to the proposed dark orange.

I think you mean the muted or can't post an empty comment messages on scratchr2 pages, I think those were also yellow before the purple update but got changed to red, but I could be remembering way off wrong.

Either way I think changing it to red would also suffice incase people find it ugly

The new one looks ugly
Has anyone complained about it?
Maybe just change the text to black. It seemed to pass.

gdfsgdfsgdfg wrote:

(#8)
alright I will do a WCAG check
the current color contrast is:
1.89:1 (WCAG fail)
The second color is:
2.09:1 (WCAG fail)
The third color is:
2.5:1 (WCAG fail)
Well then none of those colors
passed WCAG tests

Exception being changing the text color (11.09:1) to black (here)

Zydrolic wrote:

Exception being changing the text color (11.09:1) to black (here)

I compared it to the color in the text and the color in the background
but ok

Prince_Wolf1 wrote:

(#10)
Has anyone complained about it?

if you mean it being readible, only appears to be me struggling to read it out
if you mean about the suggestion here being ugly, then yes

Maybe just change the text to black. It seemed to pass.

Yeah, I'll just highlight that instead I guess.

Zydrolic wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

(#6)
I seem to remember that something orange was changed to red in the purple update — was it the number of messages, as displayed inside the message box? Maybe that could be an alternative color to the proposed dark orange.

I think you mean the muted or can't post an empty comment messages on scratchr2 pages, I think those were also yellow before the purple update but got changed to red, but I could be remembering way off wrong.

Either way I think changing it to red would also suffice incase people find it ugly

No, he's referring to the message count from inside the message page.

I feel like actual black (#000000) would actually seem more off-brand as the color palette “black” color is really a light gray (#575e75). Honestly, #575e75 would still probably have a decent contrast with the light orange, but it would look a lot less aesthetically pleasing than the dark red would.

Edit: Note that the red color is an accessible color that came with the color contrast update.

None of the “no support, it's already easy to see and it'll be ugly” posts are taking the main idea of this topic into account. None of the accessibility updates are supposed to be about looking pretty. Nor is it to comply with the law, although that is a big part of it.

Many users have been complaining about how they're unable to see on the site. Making a high-contrast Scratch was long overdue. I've talked many times on the forums about the pros outweighing the cons. The cons of leaving the site blue are enormous. There are tons of users trying to survive in a world geared toward users with perfect vision. Many kids were quite literally unable to use the site, and there were plenty of complaints about it. The only potential pro is that blue Scratch looks better to a number of people. But that's a subjective preference, which is nothing compared to allowing a group of Scratchers to suffer at the expense of aesthetics.

Keep in mind that the Scratch Team is highly likely to implement some kind of option sometime down the road. High contrast is something that needed to be done, but they can make it optional in the future, and they probably will. In fact, I daresay it'll be done within the decade. But I digress.

High contrast is incredibly important for many users, and all the backlash against this suggestion could be very discouraging for them, as there are users who can now see the website for the first time. You can have your own opinions on whether you like it or not, but please make sure you're being considerate of suffering minority groups in the process.

gdfsgdfsgdfg wrote:

Huge support. It improves accessibility.

Za-Chary wrote:

I am not sleep-deprived, nor do I have any visual impairments, and I agree that the color could be changed to make it easier to read.

I seem to remember that something orange was changed to red in the purple update — was it the number of messages, as displayed inside the message box? Maybe that could be an alternative color to the proposed dark orange.

It was in the messages page and also blue was changed to red when deleting/reporting comments. There is also red on scratchr2 and since I am medians..

Za-Chary wrote:

I am not sleep-deprived, nor do I have any visual impairments, and I agree that the color could be changed to make it easier to read.

I seem to remember that something orange was changed to red in the purple update — was it the number of messages, as displayed inside the message box? Maybe that could be an alternative color to the proposed dark orange.

heck why not. We made Scratch purple, no?

Last edited by kaj (Tomorrow 0:00:00)

I don't know what people are talking about, saying it's ugly. The orange color is literally only used in two spots on every page: those being the logo and the message icon, which are very tiny. This darker color isn't really inconsistent with any other color in that regard. Also it's not like people have much of a say in accessibility changes anyway.

roofogato wrote:

gdfsgdfsgdfg wrote:

roofogato wrote:

No Support, it's already easy to see. The new color just looks uglier it looks like the change to the remix button

then what about colorblind scratchers then

Every modern device made my man has a colorblind filter bulit in

Then why did Scratch need to change their color scheme from blue to purple?

Honestly, the best solution is let everyone customise the colours. But this is fine. It is a bit ugly, but who cares? You'll barely even see this message.

Scratchdev57 wrote:

(#22)
Honestly, the best solution is let everyone customise the colours.

That'd make this a dupe however, and you know that as well.

Scratchdev57 wrote:

(#22)
It is a bit ugly, but who cares? You'll barely even see this message.

I'd rather appease people by going with it but honestly
why the frick does it matter if it looks ugly if its atleast more readable?
Currently it's quite a pain to read still

If you're increasing the brightness difference between text and background that's called increasing contrast not decreasing contrast.

Basilikos wrote:

(#24)
If you're increasing the brightness difference between text and background that's called increasing contrast not decreasing contrast.

whoops
mixed up the definitions then

Well, if the options of different colours were diiferent, then that would be a good idea, but that small of a change is practically too small of a difference to be useful, even when considering the people who have some form of color blindness or other disorders that affect sight. No support.

lgrov44 wrote:

(#26)
Well, if the options of different colours were diiferent, then that would be a good idea, but that small of a change is practically too small of a difference to be useful, even when considering the people who have some form of color blindness or other disorders that affect sight. No support.

exactly. it's a small change. it won't take that long*. i'm not vision impaired at least in a way that would make a difference and the change is so much easier to read and doesn't give me a headache

*edit: presumably

Sorry if offtopic but did the name change?

unmissable wrote:

Sorry if offtopic but did the name change?

Don't think so, what do you think it was before?

lgrov44 wrote:

(#26)
Well, if the options of different colours were diiferent, then that would be a good idea, but that small of a change is practically too small of a difference to be useful, even when considering the people who have some form of color blindness or other disorders that affect sight. No support.

There's a lot more smaller changes that happen and yet those are still counted, that includes literally just changing the capitalization of a subforum title (HWS —> HwS)

unmissable wrote:

(#28)
Sorry if offtopic but did the name change?

yes it did, changed decrease to increase since i mixed up definitions

Zydrolic wrote:

lgrov44 wrote:

(#26)
Well, if the options of different colours were diiferent, then that would be a good idea, but that small of a change is practically too small of a difference to be useful, even when considering the people who have some form of color blindness or other disorders that affect sight. No support.

There's a lot more smaller changes that happen and yet those are still counted, that includes literally just changing the capitalization of a subforum title (HWS —> HwS)

Yes, however, whether they are actually useful depends on the case. In the example you have provided, it still looks quite insignificant to me.

lgrov44 wrote:

(#31)

Zydrolic wrote:

lgrov44 wrote:

(#26)
Well, if the options of different colours were diiferent, then that would be a good idea, but that small of a change is practically too small of a difference to be useful, even when considering the people who have some form of color blindness or other disorders that affect sight. No support.

There's a lot more smaller changes that happen and yet those are still counted, that includes literally just changing the capitalization of a subforum title (HWS —> HwS)

Yes, however, whether they are actually useful depends on the case. In the example you have provided, it still looks quite insignificant to me.

you are not, in fact, the only person to look at it.

lgrov44 wrote:

(#31)
Yes, however, whether they are actually useful depends on the case. In the example you have provided, it still looks quite insignificant to me.

Fair enough, though empty comments arent the only place it occurs, either.

106809nes wrote:

(#34)

why riggy


anyways support but only if the color is changed to not just be darker since it just looks ugly

Fixed mock-ups made from scratch using IE (Inspect Element):
Hope that Zydrolic likes these.


Ignore the purple theme. That was custom made by me.

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

(#36)
Fixed mock-ups made from scratch using IE (Inspect Element):
Hope that Zydrolic likes these.


Ignore the purple theme. That was custom made by me.

I'll recreate the mockups with the themes off, I probably should've done it before
js its not because of aesthetics, its readability though ig i might be the only person struggling to read white text on an orange background
EDIT: Also gonna only use the darker text one since people can't stop complaining about it looking ugly, thats not the point of this but still

Zydrolic wrote:

I'll recreate the mockups with the themes off, I probably should've done it before

That's alright. The text with the theme on didn't help as much, so I should probably fix that (including the username and password bits).
I think that I got a little lazy and forgot to leave out my alt's username.
Edit: I now fixed the mock-ups.

Alright, mockups I guess with the scratchr2 “You can't post any empty comment” colors (though I like grey and red :D: on my sign in errors!!1!1 which I thought it was for all pages but guess not :D:)

(I already had it set XD)

Yes, the color should be changed. I have a hard time reading the messages and don't have vision problems.

usefun wrote:

(#40)
Yes, the color should be changed. I have a hard time reading the messages and don't have vision problems.

glad to know I'm not the only one struggling to read it then

was off first page

Why don’t we use the high contrast control block color with black text? That would make it quite easy to read, and fit with the palette.

coshnaut wrote:

(#43)
Why don’t we use the high contrast control block color with black text? That would make it quite easy to read, and fit with the palette.

Since people wouldn't complain on that (atleast I hope) and the contrast would be a lot more readible, I think that would work really well.
EDIT: Adding this to OP as an alternative possibility.

Support! Even though I don't have any eyesight disabilities (Unless being nearsighted and wearing glasses counts), I think the website should be more accessible to those with colorblindness/difficulty with reading low contrast.

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